« Back To BSA Innovation Engine

jturman

jturman
Member since : Oct-25-2008 (Verified)
11 Ideas, 37 Comments, 25 Votes

User Activity Stream

Ideas Posted

This idea is from a volunteer in Loomis, CA.

Now that BSA is collecting tour applications online, why not let units see when and where other units are going camping? Units that go for the first time to a certain place outside of the normal time of the year could have a really bad experience. It would be helpful to see when everyone else goes.

One step further would be to set up a blind email system so later units could contact earlier units and ask specific questions. Along this same line it would be nice if the unit could write a review about the trip after they come home.
Moderator Comments
3/9/09
From: Frank C. Reigelman, Director of Outdoor Programs

This idea should be investigated further by ISD to determine if it is viable and perhaps after several months of on line tour permit submissions, we will be able to view some sample data to determine how to configure a system. It could provide very useful data for units looking for new camping locations.
My council does all recharters starting Jan 1, but they don't get implemented until March 1. Before handing over the paper charters I'm going through a district membership report (excel spreadsheet) of all my adults blacking out dropped adults, typing in new adults, and changing positions and adding email addresses. I'm doing this so that I can send emails to people to get trained in January and February. If I just hand over the paper charters to the registrar I would essentially just be totally blind for two months until the charters are implemented. Is there a better way to do this? Could National make it so I could access my post-charter roster (with email addresses too please) before it's implemented? Please don't tell me to look in ScoutNET one unit/person at a time with not even a copy/paste feature. This would essentially require me to do the same thing I'm doing now, typing out each change by hand, very time consuming and tedious.
Moderator Comments
3/13/09
From: Gary Butler, Council Solutions Group Director

Mr. Gibbon’s suggestion would appear to address the writer’s request. On-going improvements to the on-line rechartering application should address some of this.
-3
Lots of organizations send birthday wishes by email on your birthday. Why not the Boy Scouts? It would be a nice touch. It might make the National organization seem just a little more personable. And it would be a nice opportunity to thank volunteers for their service.

Click on the title of this post. I've attached a sample picture.

If National doesn't do this, this is really easy to do on the district level and it helps volunteers remember that people in the higher levels of Scouting actually care about them. Download the membership roster in ScoutNET. Open in Excel. Hilight the birthday column. Date->Text to columns. Delimited. Next. Check the "Other" box and type in "/". Next. Finish. Hilight the three columns. Format->Cells. Under Category select General. You now have columns for birth day, month, and year. Sort by month and day and now you have everyone in order by birthday for the year. You can now email birthday wishes yourself.
Moderator Comments
1/6/09
From: Rani Monson, Innovation Team Leader

This does not align with our priorities and is something that could be done at the local level.
Please allow us to access Unit Meeting Info by a URL Feed. XML would be nice.

For example:
http://scouting.org/xml/unitmeetings/[council#] will give information like:

*Note: please replace scare brackets below with angle brackets.

[council number='047' name='Golden Empire Council'][district number='011' name='Iron Horse']
   [unit type='troop' number='1']
      [meeting place='LDS Church' street='100 Main St' city='Sacramento' state='CA' zip='95821' time='7pm' /]
   [/unit]
[/district][/council]

Please make the URL extensible to add a district # and even a unit # to drill down to the information.

We already have ScoutNET designed to store this information. What's the point if nobody can access this information? It's meeting info that Councils are forced to then duplicate on their own webpages. Then when the unit's meeting info changes the DE has to change it in ScoutNET (no point currently in doing this) and then ask the webmaster to update it. This new idea would allow the DE to simply update the info in ScoutNET and then the change would be made across all systems that get meeting info from ScoutNET.

Councils could then make some really sweet (and up-to-date) unit maps using Google Maps.

Your zip code thingy at thescoutzone.org has major flaws for my district. Half the suburban city has zip 956** and the other half 957** so when a person puts in 95661 they get all of the Sacramento metropolitan area, but they don't get across the street in their own city. Plus the results offer little in the way of useful information (no address or time, but just unit numbers for a good portion of California?) and it's all textual. Why all text and no map? Please give us the requested feature and we can make our own maps with even more valuable features that National just doesn't have the time/resources/innovation to make. Example, make a "get directions to unit" link for each unit on the map.

See http://ironhorsebsa.org/councilmap to see some of these ideas in action, just it's not hooked up to the info in ScoutNET so only the Iron Horse district has much of anything. There's even a YouTube video in the bubble of one of the packs. And the DE's email address is in every bubble. And a Council logo that is clickable to the website. And a date when last updated.
-18
This Welcome to My BSA from 2005 is a waste of space.

..."This Council Flash window shows information that your council can post for other council employees using My BSA. It's a bulletin board for council news and is especially useful to employees who work away from the office..."

I don't think my Council has ever used this, especially for employees who work away from the office. We use email in the 21st century.
Moderator Comments
12/21/08
From: Maria Manzella, Documentation Specialist, Council Administration

The Council Flash page is optional for use by each council.  Some councils use this page as a bulletin board to post daily updates.  To eliminate a tool that is used frequently by a number of Scout Executives would be counterproductive. 
Some pros are asking for foreign language training. This is a waste of time and money in my opinion, I lived in Russia two years and now speak Russian.

Our volunteers are a huge untapped resource to help us get into other language populations. The adult app should allow a person to specify other languages they speak and ScoutNET should hold that information for us. Then we could contact a volunteer (perhaps in a neighboring district) to help us.

Of course we could always get out and meet our volunteers and get to know them. Half my council in California is LDS. Most of the men have served two-year missions all over the world. When you meet a volunteer ask if they speak another language. I asked a white guy this and it turned out he spoke Chinese.
39
I recently had 600 people needing various trainings in my district and training in two weeks. In order to email them their individual list of trainings needed I would have had to look up each of them in ScoutNET and write an email one at a time.

Luckily, I'm a little smarter than that. I found software on the Internet for $30 that merges the Training spreadsheet with columns from the membership roster spreadsheet (I needed email address) by matching the BSA ID# from both. This gave me a training spreadsheet with email address. By splitting the courses column into 3 columns and doing lots of search and replace I was able make a human-readable spreadsheet which I then did mail merge and sent each individual the list of trainings they needed by email with the click of a button.

I've created a web application that merges the two spreadsheets for free and does all the search and replacing at http://ironhorsebsa.org/tools/training . Can't National improve ScoutNET to make it more usable with email by at least including the email address?

See my Facebook post in the BSA Professionals group at http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=7506061819&topic=7102 for more details
Many council websites are poorly done. They use designs from the early 90s (when the worldwide web was just starting). Most of all, visitors to some sites can't even tell the site is a BSA site. Very poor branding. Council websites should scream Boy Scouts, with style of course.

I'm sure lots of DE's and volunteers have graphics talents to share.
Moderator Comments
12/26/08
From: Stephen Medlicott, Marketing Group Director

We agree. The Department of Brand Management and Information Systems are collaborating on a consistently branded local council web site design that will be offered in coming weeks.
This kind of web design is no longer used. It is annoying and half the time when I do try to read the announcement I can't because the first half is off the screen. At the very least keep it stationary. If you're hurting for space, make a dedicated box on the page for announcements of this type. Make short headlines that we can hover over (or click on) for more details.

Also, the welcome page says " Welcome back...." Could someone please code a proper non-breaking space? The problem is the ampersand is being translated into it's html entity code (&) which creates   thus breaking down not so gracefully.
Moderator Comments
11/13/08
From: Maria Manzella, Documentation Specialist, Information Systems Department

We plan to address this issue in the redesign of MyBSA over the next 6 months.
Why can't I change my password? Seems like a no-brainer that I should be able to.
Moderator Comments
11/14/08
From: Nathan Langston, Director, Administration Group

Great idea. We will put it on the list to be reviewed.
Why not allow a paperless option for joining Scouting? The application would be sent by email to the committee chair, etc for approval. And I as DE would be notified that the app is in process, I would approve it, and the registrar would give final approval without having to retype anything. And money would be paid online as well. All along the way we could hide the applicant's social security number to protect even more from identity theft.

If a leader doesn't have email, I as the DE would see the jam and just call them myself to get their approval by phone and sign in their place, just like I can on paper apps.

If the parent or child signing up doesn't have Internet they could still do it the old fashioned paper way.

I don't know about other Councils but we have a room full of unlocked file cabinets full of years and years of paper apps. They have social security numbers on them and could easily be stolen. And how many people saw the social security number in between the applicant filling it out and me getting it? Not to mention it's a waste of space and a waste of trees. This would also solve another problem. Sometimes I don't get an application until 6 months after the applicant started the process. If I had been notified about the applicant I could have been aware and encouraged the process along and notified the person about upcoming trainings. This would also save the units on postage and me on gas taking them to Council.

I think especially for the Latter-day Saint units, the application process should have the ability to be started by other adult leaders like the Bishop of the ward who gives the calling.

After the application is completed the applicant should be redirected to fast start training and to mybsa to see their training record.
Moderator Comments
11/13/08
From: Gary Butler, Director, Council Solutions Group

This is under consideration pending resources available.
Total Rows   421
Displaying 1 to 25

Comments Posted

jturman 4 months ago
Please stop posting duplicate ideas. I already posted this idea with a work around. http://ideas.scouting.org/akira/dtd/9465-2119
jturman 4 months ago
Would this include at the Council office as well? If so, we would lose most of our support staff and our Scout Executive. They're all smokers.
jturman 5 months ago
This is a duplicate of my idea from 5 months ago you can see at http://ideas.scouting.org/akira/dtd/9465-2119. I even provided a workaround solution until National can fix ScoutNET 2000.
jturman 6 months ago
Just use Firefox. It automatically checks the spelling of whatever you type in a textbox.
jturman 7 months ago
Is there anything stopping J. Patrick from producing his own camouflage pants and marketing them himself in a free-market economy?
jturman 7 months ago
I would call it Man Scouts, but that name is already taken.
jturman 7 months ago
ScoutNET 2000 just wasn't designed to do such complicated tasks back in the 90s. It's already been that way for over 10 years.
jturman 7 months ago
If this idea is completed then why is the scrolling text of death back?

Log into MyBSA and text scrolls along the top using the following code:

[marquee style="color::#000099;" scrolldelay="175"]
The newest training course for all volunteers, "This Is Scouting," (replaces New Leader Essentials) is now available on the E-Learning center on MyScouting.org.
[/marquee]

Please ban the use of the marquee tag.

jturman 7 months ago
Couldn't they just identify themselves in an emergency?

Ex: Is there a doctor in the house? I'm a doctor.

As opposed to: Is there a guy with a doctor emblem on his shirt?

If the point is to make sure you have someone trained at each event then just make it a question at signup for the event.
jturman 7 months ago
This is a duplicate
jturman 7 months ago
I have similar problems like this all the time. Instead of getting an electronic version of something, I always get lists in paper form which I cannot sort in Excel or even email to people who need the information. I take the paper home, scan to PDF with character recognition on. Then I use software to convert the PDF to Excel (Do a Google search "Convert PDF to Excel"). With long lists (100 pages) it takes me about 8 hours to clean up the resulting Excel spreadsheet. It sure would be nice if ScoutNET 2000 would just export everything to spreadsheet or even print to PDF, but don't hold your breath for anything to change soon. For now you can just spend hours to make your work more efficient.
jturman 8 months ago
This is very similar to my suggestion at http://ideas.scouting.org/akira/dtd/11365-2119
jturman 8 months ago
This is a duplicate of my November 5th idea at http://ideas.scouting.org/akira/dtd/5940-2119 "Allow Pros to change their own ScoutNET/MyBSA Password"
jturman 9 months ago
In Sacramento we have a Russian population of +200k so we're interested in translating/publishing literature into Russian. Who can we contact to discuss copyright issues, etc?
jturman 9 months ago
I misspoke earlier. The copyright status of the book according to Wikipedia is:

Copyright Status

The British Scout Association owns the copyright to Scouting for Boys today. The book will enter the Public Domain in 2011, 70 years after the death of its author on 8 January 1941.[7] Until then, it may only be reproduced after permission is granted from the Scout Association headquarters (other than for copyright exceptions in specific countries, such as fair use). The Boy Scouts of America have been granted a special copyright license by Baden-Powell himself for their Boy Scout Handbook, written during the BSA's formal founding in 1910.[4]
jturman 9 months ago
Actually, anybody can legally do what you're proposing without any kind of permission. The first edition published in 1908 is no longer copyrighted since it was published over 100 years ago. You can download the book at http://www.thedump.scoutscan.com/s4b.html.
jturman 10 months ago
I laughed out loud the first time I heard of "Soccer & Scouting: Cub Scouting FIRST -- Soccer SECOND". The obvious question that begs to be asked is "If Cub Scouting is really first and soccer second, then why is the name of the program the complete opposite placing Soccer first and Scouting second?"
jturman 10 months ago
Why are we trying to keep separate from us a group of people, many of whom are not here legitimately and don't want to assimilate and learn our language anyway? Wouldn't a separate ("but equal") program for them be akin to segregation? What's the point?
jturman 10 months ago
Thanks for the infomercial
jturman 10 months ago
This site wouldn't let me upload the sample picture. You can find it at http://ironhorsebsa.org/images/happy_birthday.gif
jturman 10 months ago
How about we go even further and not print at all? When National sends me one brochure (or one DVD) and it says distribute to entire district I scan the brochure to PDF to email and I rip the DVD to YouTube (it says distribute so there's no harm in copying right?). National could do the same thing from the very beginning.
jturman 10 months ago
What's the retention formula for District retention. My DFS acts like it's mysterious magic that no one could ever understand. Come on, if quality district depends on it, at least let us know how we can specifically work on it.
jturman 10 months ago
Maybe devote them to a certain topic or position (DE for example). Maybe allow questions to be asked submitted a week before and the most popular questions get discussed in the actual conference.
jturman 10 months ago
There are really good articles on how to create an API, what makes a really good API, etc at http://particletree.com/features/how-to-add-an-api-to-your-web-service/
jturman 10 months ago
Yay! It's gone!
jturman 10 months ago
How about Firefox as well? ScoutNET is the only reason I use IE at home and IE is always having security bugs.
jturman 10 months ago
I've learned how to program using Google Maps. I've spreadsheets of unit information, one spreadsheet for each district in the council.

Google maps is able to take these spreadsheets of information and build a council map split into different districts.

See: http://ironhorsebsa.org/councilmap

click the Iron Horse district checkbox and it turns on those unit flags and zooms in on the district. All these flags/information come from spreadsheets shared across Google documents.

It sure would be nice if National would make the unit meeting place info public information so my Google map could take the info straight from ScoutNET so it would be as up-to-date as ScoutNET. Please make the API I requested at http://ideas.scouting.org/akira/dtd/5517-2119
jturman 10 months ago
Our volunteers are a huge untapped resource for this. The adult app should allow a person to specify other languages they speak and ScoutNET should hold that information for us. Contact a volunteer (perhaps in a neighboring district) to help you. Another elephant in the room is your Latter-day Saint Scouters. Half my council in California is LDS. Most of the men have served two-year missions all over the world. When you meet a volunteer ask if they speak another language. I asked a white guy this and it turned out he spoke Chinese.
jturman 10 months ago
My ScoutNET API suggestion (http://ideas.scouting.org/akira/dtd/5517-2119) is along this same line of thinking. The problem is National will not have time/resources to create every kind of tool that users will have need of or can imagine. National can make a tool whereby volunteers/professionals can query ScoutNET using their username/password and get back information they have access to. ScoutNET can return the information as pure information, XML. A programmer like myself could take this pure information and create some amazing things. One example is a Google Map of everyone in a unit. Scoutmasters and members of the troop should have access to just their unit. A DE should have access to everybody in a district. Without logging in (the public for example) should have access to a Google map of where all the units meet. I can help build the API if needed. The point is, let us have at least read access to information and we'll build great things.
jturman 11 months ago
Using Adobe Acrobat Professional you can scan the forms and add your own form fields. I've done this for my own district. I've made it so when you fill out any part of the form, it's automatically copied in the carbon copy forms that follow as well.

Alternatively, you can scan the form and use it as a background of a Microsoft Word document which you can then use an Excel spreadsheet of information to fill out a lot of membership applications at once. I've already done this.

You can find all my files at http://ironhorsebsa.org/tools/apps/
jturman 11 months ago
If you click on the title of the above comment, you'll see a bunch of images I've made to share with other Councils.
jturman 1 year ago
Okay, my comment got displayed incorrectly. The second paragraph should read:

Also, the welcome page says "&nbspWelcome back...." Could someone please code a proper non-breaking space? The problem is the ampersand is being translated into it's html entity code (&) which creates   thus breaking down not so gracefully.
jturman 1 year ago
Here are my district's stats in the suburbs of Sacramento:
60% of Families give average of $100. 40% of Latter-day Saint (LDS) prospects give $120.

Council average is 20% give $160.
jturman 1 year ago
I like your map. You've got a stray troop just south of Nigeria!
jturman 1 year ago
Could you elaborate more? I don't understand what you mean by "interpret" and the website you referred to doesn't work.
jturman 1 year ago
For any of you totally lost as to what an API is, here's a brief explanation.

Imagine inserting a little box on a webpage with code taken from:

mybsa.org/map/longhorncouncil/lonestardistrict

Imaging now that this mini webpage returns information like:

[map]
[council value='longhorncouncil']
[district value='lonestardistrict']

[unit type='pack' number='123']
[street]123 Main[/street]
[city]Dallas[/city]
[state]TX[/state]
[zip]12345[/zip]
[time]19:00[/time]
[leader]Bill Smith[/leader]
[phone]555-555-5555[/phone]
[email]bill@smith.com[/email]
[/unit]

[unit]
...
[/unit]

[unit]
...
[/unit]

[/district]
[/council]
[/map]


This returns code that a computer and programmers like me can work with to make a Google map of all the units in the district.

Let's say we left the name of the district blank. We would expect to get all the units in the Council.

What if we left the Council blank? At the very least we would expect points on a map where all the Council headquarters are located.

The information retrieved would come from ScoutNET without any security compromise. After all, the only information retrievable from mybsa.org/map is unit information.

But let's say we want a map of where all the boys in a certain troop live. This is more sensitive information. We would do something similar, but we would require the user name and password of the end user before giving them the information they have access to.

So now when someone comes to our Council site or troop site they can see a map that they have access to view on our site without being redirected to another site. Other benefits are that we now have the power of Google maps which can give turn by turn directions to our meeting place, we can embed Youtube videos of our troop in the map, and whenever our meeting info is updated in ScoutNET our map is automatically updated.

Please give us simple access to make our own queries on ScoutNET to use with other applications (like Google Maps) so we can use information we already have the security clearance to get.

For more information on how national BSA employees can actually make an API see http://particletree.com/features/how-to-add-an-api-to-your-web-service/
jturman 1 year ago
fcondidi, do you speak another language yourself and know the investment it takes to become fluent in a non-spanish language?

I'm a DE. I served a Latter-day Saint mission in Moscow, Russia for two years so I'm fluent in Russian. Maybe classes for spanish would work because spanish is so easy and most kids can learn it in high school. This isn't feasible for other languages (like Russian for example). This would cost way too much money and would take way too much time. A much cheaper work-around would be to hire people who already speak languages needed in your community. My Council has a community of 200,000 Russian speakers so I'm the Russian outreach guy. My supervisor has asked me to invite current DE's that I met while in Moscow who now work for BSA in Salt Lake and Las Vegas to transfer to Sacramento. Much cheaper and more effective.